IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Gina

Jaz se tukaj kompletno strinjam z bumerang.

Pa rekla bi še takole, da verjamem, da je vsaka vera v osnovi zelo fajn, da se bi lahko v vsaki veri živelo zelo lepo, če ne bi živeli v zelo egoističnem svetu, kjer se gre v glavnem za premoč enega človeka nad drugim, za oblast po domače rečeno. In to se potem izraža na različnih koncih sveta različno. POnekod lahko krasno živiš s svojo vero, ponekod je ravno sistem, ki vero vodi pripeljal do zelo katastrofalnih reči. Ni kriva vera za grde reči, ki se dogajajo, krivi so konkretni ljudje, ki so v zgodovini in še kar ponekod v imenu vere počeli neumnosti. Izrabljanje vere v svoje neprave namene. In seveda najbrž ni ista vera v različnih državah enako tretirana. Katerokoli vero pa pogledamo, ap so v njenem imenu delali grde reči. Grozljivo je to. Meni to še vedno ne pomeni, da je katerakoli vera zanič. Mi pa pomeni to, da moramo biti zelo pozorni, da zmoremo ločiti svojo lastno vero od verske "civilne uprave" in njenih zelo posvetnih ego namenov. To pa je včasih težko. Globje kot si v sistemu, težje mora biti. Ni pa nujno najbrž.


Gina, ni je države kjer bi se 100% upošteval Islam. Vse se je že skvarilo.Tudi tako opevana KSA -kraljevina saudove arabije. Kralj in njegova rodbina je tako zelo bogata, da si mi niti predstavljati ne moremo.
V islamski državi po poslancu je kralj spal na tleh dokler vsi njegovi državljani ne bi imeli slamnjače... samo en primer Islama.
Musliman bi moral vsako leto dati Zekat ( Zekat je obvezno letno plačilo, katerega dajejo muslimani revnim muslimanom ali pa islamskim izobraževalnim ustanovam-madresam, fakultetam in podobno. Zekat znaša 2.5% od premoženja, na katerega se zekat daje.) A misliš da bi bilo toliko revežev, če bi se to res delalo?
Egipt naprimer je tako skorompiran, da to ni za povedat.Islama je več v Sloveniji kot v Egiptu. Želim povedat da je Slovenska država bolj Islamska od vseh arabskih skupaj. Samo v Sloveniji ni muslimanov teh je pa v Egiptu ogromno.
Upam, da se razume, kaj hočem povedat.
Žalostno toda resnično!

Mi je pa vedno zanimivo poslušat različne ljudi, ki živijo različno življenje, kako gledajo na svet, veliko se naučim iz tega o marsičem, marsikaj lažje razumem in zelo sem vesela zate, ****, da si našla svojo srečo. In to je edino, kar v življenju šteje.

Hvala.  

Mogoče še nekaj. meni osebno je žal, da mi niso v otroštvu približali kakšne od ver. Zelo težko je najti svojo resnico, ko si starejši. Kakor ateisti vsiljujejo svojo vero otrokom, jo tudi verniki. Tega ne moreš spremeniti in prav je, da predstavijo svojo miselnost. Meni je bil predstavljen ateizem kot edina resnica in danes se mi to zdi glih tolk nasilno, kot morda kakšnemu ateistu krščanstvo ali budizem ali hinduizem ali karkoli že pač. Tako da vsaka plat ima dve medalji. Hočem reči da ne smemo in ne moremo soditi o tem, da nekdo predstavi svojo vero otroku. Vsi smo nasilni s svojim prepričanjem. Logično je, da želimo otroku najboljše in mu predstavimo tisto, kar je najboljše za nas. Če mu ne bi predstavili tistega, kar se nam zdi top of the list, bi se nam zdelo, da ga prikrajšujemo za srečo, saj nam naše verovanje služi čist fajn. Kako bo en ateist sposoben reči otroku čisto nevtralno, naj gre raziskat vse vere, pa brez namigovanja o tem, kolk so verniki trapasti ko verjamejo v pravljico in brez namigovanja, kolk slabega je cerkev naredila, pustit res nevtralno otroka, da se odloči sam inkako bodo verniki sposobni obratno nevtralno predstavit ateizem brez občutkov krivde do Boga in realno? Torej je boljše, da mu predstavi svojo resnico v svoji luči, pa kakršnakoli že je. Z ruto vred in izpovedjo vere ali pa krišnevskim vegetarianstvom. No, tako se vsaj meni zdi. Otrok se še vedno lahko kasneje odloči, da mu ta sreča ne prineša sreče. Takrat pa se mi zdi, da bi starši morali pustiti "otroku" svobodno pot do nje kje drugje - takrat pa naj jo išče naprej sam.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: daddy

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ****

Drugače pa Bog nas uči, da moramo zase in za svoje zdravje poskrbeti v naših najboljših močeh...

Brez zamere, ampak .... a za to spoznanje rabiš boga? A ni to nekaj samoumevnega, kar moraš vedeti tako ali drugače sama?

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Dashenka

V današnjem Dnevniku. Komentar ni potreben

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ****

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Dashenka

V današnjem Dnevniku. Komentar ni potreben

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O pa je potreben. To nima popolnoma nič z Islamom.  Ta človek ali pa katerikoli drug bo odgovarjal za svoje dejanje.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: bumerang

****, tudi jaz bi se s tabo normalno pogovarjala, če bi prišla v 40 stopinjah v senci z ruto na glavi in z dolgimi rokavi in bi te še vedno spoštovala. Bi se mi pa zdelo čudno. In tudi smilila bi se mi. Zelo. Bi pa spoštovala tvojo odločitev in tebe.

Pa zakaj se ti smilim? Jaz popolnoma nič ne trpim. Meni tako paše in mi je tako všeč. Ravno danes smo bile s puncami iz foruma majčice 2008 na kofetku in me je ena to vprašala. Odkrito sem ji povedala, da tudi slučajno si nepredstavljam da bi se slekla, bilo bi mi zelo neprijetno...


Ko takole prebiram tvoje pisanje, počasi uspevam analizirati kje je srž problema. Ti pišeš o islamu, o ljudeh, ki islam živijo. Ampak zavedati se moraš (in tudi se), da islam, tako kot je zapisan, živi malo ljudi. Le majhen % tistih, ki so ali se imajo za muslimane.


 Točno tako. In mene boli če mi nekdo reče vi muslimani pa naprimer polivate ženske z kislino če se nočejo poročit....
Bumerang verjemi, da me to res kar v prsih stisne. Na bruhanje mi gredo vsi te ljudje ki se imajo za muslimane in zatirajo ženo, se nalivajo z alkoholom ne znajo molit ne opravljajo niti eno stvar,ki jim jo naroča Islam znajo pa povedat ko jih kdo vpraša kaj pa si ti po veroizpovedi Musliman.
 
Pa kakšen vtis potem dobi sogovornik o nas muslimanih? Kaj si potem lahko predsravlja pod Islam?
To ni Islam in ta človek ni musliman. Nosi samo muslimansko ime.



Vsi ostali islam živijo tako, da izničujejo celotni ženski svet. Na tak ali drugačen način. V moški nadvladi. Ne vem kako in ne vem zakaj je do tega prišlo ampak tako je. Ženske kvazi muslimanov so ponižane na sto in en način. V skrajem primeru tudi ubite. In iz tega ne morejo. Jih ne pusti država, sistem, pravo, lastna družina in celo lastna mati. Ni načina, da se rešijo tega pekla. Vse to v imenu islama. Kvazi ali pravega, to je zanje vseeno.

To se dogaja toda to ni Islam. to je toliko islam kot je pedofilija del krščanske vere. To so izmečki.

To je dejstvo. Opisano v mnogih knjigah. Zadnja leta je na Slovenskem tržišču izšlo najmanj deset knjig z resničnimi zgodbami o ženskah in njihovem trpljenju. Nemškega govornega področja ne obvladam, obvladam pa italijanskega in to najmanj tako kot slovenskega. In tudi v Italiji se dogajajo številne zgodbe, ko ženske, ki se poročijo z muslimani, ostanejo ob prvem obisku moževe matične dežele zaprte tam in ne morejo več domov. Če imajo otroke, otroci za vse večne čase ostanejo tam. Nekaj mater je celo organiziralo ilegalni prebeg otrok. In tudi italijansko zunanje ministrstvo ima zapisane nasvete za ženske, ki bi se želele poročiti z muslimani. In to močno odsvetujejo. Če pa že, svetujejo, da se nikoli ne odpravijo v matično deželo moža. Predvsem nikoli z otroki.

To sem že pokomentirala. Mož bo otroke vzel samo v primeru če ločena ženska ni muslimanka in dvomi, da jih bo vzgojila v muslimane. Tudi vsak sodnik - muslimanski, mu jih bo dosodil.
Pa saj to je logično.
Ko enkrat razumeš koliko vera pomeni tem ljudem ti je popolnoma jasno, da se temu očetu lahko srce stre če vidi svojo hčerko pri 18 letih pomankljivo oblečeno, z cigareto in pivom v roki.
Pa muslimani verjamemo da nas v nebesa če že ne naša dejanja lahko ponesejo dobro vzgojeni otroci...
Jaz bi na njegovem mestu naredila isto, vzela bi otroke nemuslimanski ženski v katero dvomim.
 
V mojem primeru pa so otroci moji, po nobenem zakonu mu ne pripadajo in ni ga sodnika ki bi mu jih dosodil in kot dober musliman mu niti na pamet ne pade, da bi se šel kaj takega, ker točno ve kaj in kako je prav. In ne bo naredil nekaj proti Allahu.




Ok, boš rekla, da to ni zapisano v Koranu.

Ne v Koranu tega ni je pa v hadisih. To so naši zakoni. Nemuslimanka,v katero se dvomi da ne bo otrok vzgojila v Islamu,ne more dobiti otrok.
Sem že zgoraj zapisala, kako in kaj.
 
Toda nekdo, če se ne motim marogica je zapisala, da v Islamu otroci vedno pripadajo očetu. Kar pa je čista izmišljotina. In podala sem točen izpis iz zakona kako je s tem in da vedno pripadajo materi.

Ampak kaj to tem ženskam pomaga. Dejstvo je, da muslimani, ki so kvazi muslimani, vero izkoriščajo za nadvlado. In to država in pravni sistem očitno podpira in dovoljuje.
Sama veš, da ima marsikatera država uzakonjene zakone, ki so do žensk nestrpni (milo rečeno), in da veljajo navade, ki ženske ponižujejo in spravljajo na vrednost osebne lastnine moškega. Ok, ni po Koranu. Ampak je po zakonu muslimanske države.

Zakon pa sloni na islamu. Malo ja, malo ne, malo kvazi.

O čem govoriš? Katera država , kater zakon je diskriminatoren in sloni na Islamu?

Spet - kaj to tem ženskam pomaga? Kaj pomaga eni ženski, ki jo kamenjajo po cesti, ker nima zakritega obraza to, da njeni preganjalci ne živijo islama? A naj jih prijavi policiji? Bodo šli v zapor? 

Če nima zakritega obraza je nihče nikjer ne bo kamenjal niti ogovoril. Če nima rute v Iranu bo opozorjena in jo bo morala dati gor. Iran pa je edina država.
Pa se mi do sedaj sploh ni dalo tega pisat ampak bom. Iran niso arabci in niso sunitski muslimani. So šeiti,ki jih smatramo kot sekto. To seveda ni opravičilo zakaj in kako, ker tudi oni verjamejo v koran je pa razlaga zakaj.
Imajo še cel kup drugih bolnih običajev in zakonov... ampak pustimo to.
 
Kamenjanje pa se izvaja samo kot kazen za zeno - prešuštvo v primeru da je ona ali on poročen. Za moškega in za žensko je ista kazen - kamenjanje.
V Islamu je ločitev dovoljena zato res ne vem zakaj bi se ženska morala spustiti v varanje.
Moški pa če se žena strinja se poroči š z eno in tudi ne rabi varat...
 
Se pravi samo za varanje ko si poročen...je taka kazen predpisana.
 
Ne vem pa če se kje izvaja?



Kvazi katolik tega ne more početi.
Kvazi katolik kvečjemu uporablja kontracepcijo. Kvazi katolik se kvečjemu ne posti v postnem obdobju.
Ne more poniževati ženske. Ne more je zreducirati na vrednost ene koze. Ne more je pretepati. Oz. more ampak ne sme. Če ženska to dovoli, si je sama kriva.
Razumeš, kaj ti vsi skušamo dopovedat?

Vse to lahko počne. Tako nekdo v Sloveniji kot nekdo v arabskem svetu. Vera nima popolnoma nič s tem.
Drugače pa ne moreš primerjati ker države ki bi uzakonila kanonsko pravo ni.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Misek

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Potem pa če kdo pride in gre tistih 5 metrov okrog hotela misli, da je videl vse.
Ko pa je pri nas splošno znano da tam kjer so turisti se nabirajo najslabši od najslabših...Teško najdeš poštenega človeka ki dela v turizmu. ( velja za arabski svet)

V predhodnem postu napises "V Egiptu pa je treba imet tudi srečo, da prideš med poštene ljudi...", sedaj pa to... in potem kdo je kriv za sliko, ki se ustvarja pri ljudjeh, ki obiscejo to dezelo?

Egipčani sami, saj o tem itak ni dvoma.

Zato pa pravim pridi pa vidi.Kogar pot zanese v naše kraje ponavljam naj me zvrcne in ga povabim k nam domov. Lahko vas popeljem malo med ljudi, pa potem precenite.
Dokler pa imate enostranske informacije pa ni treba sodit... bi bilo celo zelo ne fer da podajate mnenje.

Med tiste postene, za katere je treba met sreco da prides med njih ali med vse? Tudi med tiste slabe iz katerih se dela casopisno porocilo, ali samo tiste, ki "posteno" pokazejo lepo sliko neke vsakodnevice.
Islam so in lepe slike in slabe. In fanatiki in liberalci in ena pa tudi druga locina... Enako kakor je duhovnik pedofil del cerkve, "muceniski" samomorilec itn....
Objektivna slika ni slika tvojega doma in tvoje izkusnje. Objektivna slika so vse slike v preseku. Slike tudi tistih zensk, ki so jih zazigali, ki so jih zapirali, ki so jim odvzeloi otroke, ki so izsiljevane..... Zato je tvoja generalizirana trditev, kako je zenska v islamu na piedestalu in kraljica, zlagana in zaljiva. Zaljiva za vse tiste zenske, ki so prestale to in ono v imenu vere, svoja dozivetja opisale in prezivele - ker govoris, da lazejo, da so si zmislile, saj je v islamu zenska kraljica.

Še vedno trdim in bom trdila, ker je to resnica. V Islamu ni takih žensk ki si jih opisal.Ti pa loči Islam in pa nekaj kar se dogaja v svetu kjer živijo muslimani. So pa verjetno take ženske ravno tako v arabskem svetu mogoče, ne vem ker nobene ne poznam...So pa tudi povsod drugod pa zato ni kriva ne vera niti država ampak posameznik sam ki je grozodejstvo napravil.
 
So Plutove tri žrtve glede na to da je bil katolik, žrtve zato,ker je bil katolik? Ali pa je krivo to da je bil slovenec?
 
Kot pravim teh primerov ne poznam o teh ženskah ki jih navajaš...
Vem samo tisto, kar preberem tako kot ti v tujih časopisih ali pa na internetu.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Marogica

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Ampak a se ti ne zdi da bi bilo dobro te informacije,ki jih daje neislamska organizacija predno jim verjameš raje preveriti v Islamskem pravu in v Islamski literaturi da vidiš, če je to sploh res, predno jim verjameš.

In malo zamalo se mi pa zdi, da govoriš o nečem o čemer res nimaš pojma razen nekih linkov ki sploh niso islamski. To je rekla kazala...

In res je, da nimam pojma, ravno zato ti pa lepim linke, ki sem jih prebrala.

Kot prvo je to neislamsko organizacijo "podprl" muslimam s svojim znanjem, torej ni to kar "rekla kazala", temveč ima neko strokovno osnovo.

Quellen:

Jürgen Rieck: Islamische Eheverträge, Hrsg. von der Informationsstelle für Auswanderer und Auslandstätige

im Bundesverwaltungsamt, Köln 2003

Jürgen Rieck: Die Rolle des Islam bei Eheverträgen mit einem NichtmoslemischenEhepartner, in: Beiträge

zum Islamischen Recht, Hrsg. Hans-Georg Ebert, Frankfurt/M., Berlin, Bern, Bruxelles, New York, Oxford,

Wien, 2000

Sami Aldeeb: Ehen zwischen schweizerischen und muslimischen Partnern, Hrsg. vom Schweizerischen

Institut für Rechtsvergleichung, Lausanne 2003

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Rožica I

Sama nimam blage veze o Islamu (zmeraj pravim, da se bom lotila branja tako Svetega pisma kot Korana )- sem pa od par bistrih glav slišala ali prebrala, da imamo po večini zmotno mnenje o Koranu (ker ga nismo sami prebrali, ampak dobili informacije vzete iz konteksta).
In da v osnovi naj bi bil Islam precej naklonjen ženskam.

Skratka dostikrat predsodki, ki so ravno posledica neznanja, porajajo strah pred neznanim, kar se pa hitro manifestira v obliki zaničevanja in smešenja.

Pa še  za temo na nivoju!

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ****

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Misek

Objektivna slika ni slika tvojega doma in tvoje izkusnje. Objektivna slika so vse slike v preseku. Slike tudi tistih zensk, ki so jih zazigali, ki so jih zapirali, ki so jim odvzeloi otroke, ki so izsiljevane..... Zato je tvoja generalizirana trditev, kako je zenska v islamu na piedestalu in kraljica, zlagana in zaljiva. Zaljiva za vse tiste zenske, ki so prestale to in ono v imenu vere, svoja dozivetja opisale in prezivele - ker govoris, da lazejo, da so si zmislile, saj je v islamu zenska kraljica.

Še vedno trdim in bom trdila, ker je to resnica. V Islamu ni takih žensk ki si jih opisal.Ti pa loči Islam in pa nekaj kar se dogaja v svetu kjer živijo muslimani. So pa verjetno take ženske ravno tako v arabskem svetu mogoče, ne vem ker nobene ne poznam...So pa tudi povsod drugod pa zato ni kriva ne vera niti država ampak posameznik sam ki je grozodejstvo napravil.
 
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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Gina

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Dashenka

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O pa je potreben. To nima popolnoma nič z Islamom.  Ta človek ali pa katerikoli drug bo odgovarjal za svoje dejanje.

A veš, mogoče je to edina reč, ki je zdaj nočeš čisto razumeti, ker preveč lepo vse vidiš, ker tako pač čisto konkretno živiš. Najbrž res ne gre za islam, gre pa za mentaliteto v določenih okoljih, ki so povezana tudi z islamom, česar se pri nas ne dogaja v nekem takem obsegu, kot se tam. Mentaliteta pa je povezana tudi z vero v preteklosti in načinom življenja zavoljo nje. Tebe najbrž moti, da enačimo muslimane z islamom. v resnici pa govorimo zgolj o tem, koliko varno, udobno in za žensko fajn je življenje v deželah, o katerih trenutno govorimo. In jaz to razumem tako, da je varno, fajn in lahko celo odlično in za koga boljše kot tukaj, če živiš v nekem okolju, kjer so ljudje razumni in kultivirani in ne, ni varno, če žviiš v okolju, kjer naletiš na neke norce, ki delajo neumnosti, ker so t.i. kvazi verniki ali pač delujejo po starih mentalitetnih vzorcih njihove, kako bi rekla "predkulture". Vendar še  vedno menim, da imaš več možnosti naleteti na norce tam kot sredi evrope, ni pa to nujno vedno tako.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: mani2

Se opravičujem ker vletavam v vašo debato vendar me nekaj resnično zanima. Muslimanska ženska more biti vedno pokrita pred drugimi moškimi če prev razumem. Sedaj pa moje vprašanje. Ali to pomeni da v Islamskih drzavah v porodnišnicah delajo samo ženske? Se opravičujem če se vam moje vprašanje zdi bedasto vendar me to resnično zanima kako je s tem.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: urška

mene samo nekaj zanima, ****, zakaj kategorično zavračaš oz. ne verjameš knjigam (BTW pred kratkim sem eno tako prebrala), ki jih nekatere uporabnice tukaj navajajo, v katerih so opisane, milo rečeno, grozne izkušnje muslimanskih žensk?

Zato ker sem muslimanka in živim med muslimani v arabskem svetu. Zato!

pa še tole: ja, če bi vsi muslimani 100% živeli po koranu in vsi kristjani 100% po svetem pismu, potem bi bilo vse lepo in krasno. ampak ne. ne eni, ne drugi. in eni obrezujejo 5 letne deklice. kljub temu, da to ni po koranu.

Po svetem pismu se ne da živeti ker ni zakonik. Krščanstvo je veroizpoved ni pa način življenja.
Islam je način življenja in veroizpoved.
 
Ja eni obrezujejo 5 letne deklice ane? Eni pa posiljujejo 5 letne deklice ali pa še raje dečke.
 
Zadnji stavek ne odraža mojega mnenja ampak je samo : spuščam se na tvoj nivo.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Marogica



Resnico si preberi v Koranu, sura 4,3, kjer je zapisano, da lahko moški žensko tepe, če ga ne uboga. In to s klicajem.

Ti mogoče ta del iz nemščine prevedem...jutri, danes ne več, ker grem počasi spat. Pa obrazložitev tudi.

p.s. Pa Misek je ženska

The greatest misconception that Westerners have is that paradise in Islam is only for men and not for women. This can be easily disproved from the Qur'an.
1. a. Surah Al-Nisa (Chapter 4) verse 124 (4:124)
"If any do deeds of righteousness be they male or female and have faith, they will enter heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them”
b. Surah Al-Nahl (Chapter 16), verse 97 (16:97)
"Whosoever performs good deeds whether male or female and is a believer, we shall surely make him live a good life and we will certainly reward them for the best of what they did.”
2. a. The Qur'an makes it clear that both men and women have the same spiritual nature; Surah Nisa (Chapter 4), verse 1 (4:1)
Oh Human kind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord who created you from a single person and created of like nature his mate.”
b. In Surah Nahl (Chapter 16), verse 72 (16:72)
"And Allah has made for you mates (and companions) of your own nature. And made for you out of them sons and daughters and grand children.
c. In Surah Araf (Chapter 67), verse 189 (7:189)
It is He who created you from a single person and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love)
d. Surah Al-Shoura (Chapter 42) verse no.11 (42:11)
(He is) the creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you pairs from among yourselves.”
3. When Allah created the human he breathed into him something of his spirit.
a. Surah Al-Hijr (chapter 15, verse 29 (15:29)
"When I have fashioned him (undue proportion) and breathed into him of my spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.”
b. Surah al-Sajdah (Chapter 32) verse 9 (32:9)
"But he fashioned him in due proportion and breathed into him something of his spirit”.
In the above two references, breathing of Allah's spirits into humans does not refer to any sort of incarnation of God or any pantheistic form of concept of God but it refers to the great bounty which Allah has endowed the human race with by giving innate spiritual nature of knowledge about God and yearning for Him. Here the spirit is breathed into both Adam and Eve.
4. Human race has been created to be or to serve as the trustee dignified the human race consisting of both men and women.
a. Surah Al-Isra (Chapter 17) verse 70 (17:70)
" We have honoured the children of Adam and conferred on them special favour”.
Here Allah has honoured the children of Adam, both men and women.
5. The Qur'an does not blame Eve for tempting Adam to eat the forbidden fruit or for the downfall of man, as has been done by the Bible and other scriptures.
In Surah Al-Aaraf (Chapter 7) verse 19-27 (7:19-27)
Here both Adam and eve are addressed together more than a dozen times and both Adam and Eve are said to have disobeyed Allah and later, both repented and both were forgiven.
There is not a single passage in the Qur'an that only points to Eve. However there is one verse in the Qur'an from Surah Taha chapter 20, verse 121 which specifically puts the blame on Adam (Pbuh).
Christianity puts the complete blame on Eve for the fall of man and for the 'original sin'. It holds Eve responsible for sin'. It holds Eve responsible for sins of humanity.
According to the Bible in Genesis Chapter 3, Eve tempted Adam to have the forbidden fruit (apple). Genesis Chapter 3, verse 16 states "unto the women he said, I will greatly multiply your conception. In sorrow you shall bring forth children and your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you.”
6. Unlike the Bible, which degrades pregnancy and considers labour pains of the mother during child birth as a punishment for eating the forbidden fruit, the Qur'an does not degrade pregnancies. In fact the Qur'an states that child-birth further uplifts the status of women.
a. Surah Luqman (Chapter 31) verse 14 (31:14)
"And we have enjoined on a human (to be good) to his parents; in travail upon travail did their mother bear them, and in years twain was their weaning.”
b. Surah Al-Ahqaf (Chapter 46) verse 15 (46:15)
"We have enjoined on humans kindness to their parents. In pain did their mother bear them and in pain did she give them birth.”
c. A Hadith mentions that if a mother dies during delivery of her baby she is considered a martyr which in Islam is the highest degree of stature any person can achieve.
7. The only criteria for judging a person in the sight of Allah is the "Tawa” that is God-consciousness or righteousness.
a. Surah (Al-Hujurat Chapter 49) verse 13 (49:13)
O human kind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into Nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (Not that ye may despise each other).
Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things).
Sex, race, colour or wealth do not make a person superior than the other. Righteousness is the only criterion before Almighty God for judgement.
8. The spiritual and moral duties for men and women are essentially the same. In fact there are certain concessions given to women. Pregnant ladies and menstruating women need not fast during such days, but later compensate for the same.
The reward and punishment of Allah is in no way connected with the gender.
a. Surah Al-Imran (Chapter 3,) verse 195 (3:195)
"Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you be it male or female. Ye are members, one of another.”
b. Surah Al-Ahzab (Chapter 33), verse (33:35)
"For Muslim men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise. For them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.
c. Surah Al-Nisa (Chapter 4,) verse 124 (4:124)
If any do deeds of righteousness be they male or female and have faith, they will enter heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

Economical Rights
1. More than 1,300 years before the west gave economical rights to women, Islam recognised the rights of adult women. Any adult woman has the right to possess or to own or to dispose any of her own property in any way she feels fit irrespective of whether she is single or married. The first time that rights of married women was recognised in the West whereby she could own and dispose of property without the control, approval or consent of her husband was in 1870s in England under the "Married Women Property Act”. This Act was later amended in 1882 and 1887.
Home Maker
2.a. Woman is considered as a Home maker in Islam and not a housewife because she is not married to a house.
She can also work and is entitled to get equal pay if she does the same job as that of a male. There is no text in the Qur'an or the Sunnah which makes it unlawful for women to work or to do any lawful job or profession (provided it is within the modesty level and within the purview of the Shariah). If she is married she should take the permission of her husband.
b. She cannot take up jobs which are based on exhibiting her beauty and body such as modelling, dancing, acting in films, etc.
c. Many jobs which are forbidden for women are also forbidden for men, for example serving liquor, working in gambling dens, dealing in corruption and dishonest businesses, etc.
d. A true Islamic Society should have some women as professionals such as women physicians (doctors), women nurses, women teachers, etc.
e. Women have no financial obligations in Islam. It is the duty of the man in the family to look after the financial aspects of the family. Therefore under normal conditions a woman need not work and is not required to earn her livelihood or that of her family. However in certain genuine cases due to financial crisis in the family where both ends do not meet, she has the option to work with the permission of her husband Even in such conditions no one can force her to work and if she takes up a job it is by exercising her own free will.
f. As I mentioned earlier, the job should be within the limits of Islamic Shariah and within modesty levels. Besides the professional jobs I mentioned, they can work in industries and small scale factories which are so made that they exclusively employ ladies or have separate sections for gents and ladies staff. She can also engage in business and when required, enter into transactions with gents through a Mehram such as her husband, son etc. The best example I can quote is that of Prophet Muhammad's (Pbuh) wife, Bibi Khadija (R) who was a very successful businesswoman. She transacted through her husband Prophet Muhummad (Pbuh). Women can work in their own houses by taking up tailoring, embroidery, pottery, basket-making, etc.
Women have no Financial Obligations
3. Islamic law gives more Financial Security to women than to men.
i. A Muslim woman has the option of not working to earn her livelihood. The responsibility of maintaining her falls on the shoulders of her father or brother if she is not married, and on her husband or son if she is married. It is also the duty of the relatives and the state to look after her. She is entitled to full support if she opts not to work. But at the same time she has the right to possess or to own or to dispose of any of her own property in any way she feels fit, without seeking anyone's consent whatsoever and irrespective of whether she is single or married.
ii. During marriage, she is entitled to a marital gift (Meher) from the husband which is entirely hers and she does not have to give this gift to her husband or father and she can do anything lawful with it.
In Surah Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 34 (4:34)"Give the women (on marriage) the dower as a free gift”.
This marital gift (Meher) symbolises, love, affection and commitment.
Women do not have to give any dowry to men and men do not have any right to ask or demand dowry from women. The dower given by man to woman during marriage is known as Meher and is a compulsory requirement, but these days Muslims give a small token amount of Meher just for names' sake, maybe Rs.200 to 500. Many Muslims have now-a-days adopted Hindu culture in this issue, they expect or rather demand that the woman's family should get them a refrigerator, TV, Video, furniture, car, etc. The more educated and richer the man, the higher dowry he expects.
In Islam it is just the opposite of what the Hindu Culture ordains in respect of dowry. Islam requires that the man gives dower to the woman according to his economical condition.
iii. If a woman earns any income from investments or works or engages in business during her marital life, the income is entirely hers and she is not entitled to spend a single penny on the household. She can spend it in any legitimate manner as she may desire.
iv. Regardless of the wealth or income of his wife, the responsibility of maintaining her lies on the husband even if he is poorer than her and this responsibility includes providing for her needs pertaining to food, clothing, lodging, boarding, medication, etc., in short everything she needs. She need not spend anything. She has complete financial security. The husband's responsibility to fullfil her needs and not her unreasonable demands and wants beyond his financial limits.
v. In case of divorce or widowhood there are certain financial guaranties for women like complete and full support during the waiting period and thereafter; if she is pregnant, then till childbirth. If she has any children she is entitled to child support.
Social Rights
Socially Islam gives women four different status:
1. As a Daughter
2. As a Wife
3. As a Mother
4. As a Sister
1. Daughter
i. Islam prohibits infanticide or killing of female infants. This is considered a serious crime of murder.
Surah Al-Takvir Chapter 81, Verses 8 and 9 (81 : 8-9)
"When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned, for what crime she was killed.” (17:31), (6:15)
In pre-Islamic Arabia killing of female infants was very common and very often the moment a female was born she was buried alive.
Islam not only prohibits female infanticide, but it forbids all types of infanticide, irrespective of whether the infant is a male or female. It is mentioned in Surah Al-Anam chapter 6, Verse 151 (6:151).
"Kill not your children on a plea of want. We provide sustenance for you and for them. Come not near shameful deeds, whether open or secret. Take not life which Allah has made sacred.”
A similar guidance is repeated in Surah Al-Isra Chapter 17, Verse 31 (17:31).
"Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.”
In pre-Islamic Arabia killing of female infants was very common and very often, the moment a female was born, she was buried alive. However, after the spread of Islam in Arabia, Al hamdulillah, this evil practice has been discontinued for the last 1,400 years but unfortunately it is yet prevalent in India.
In a BBC documentary film titled "Let her die” shown in the programme "Assignments”, the statistics of female infanticide was given by Emetic Buchanan. It has to be a Britisher who came all the way from Britain to give us the statistics and make a documentary film in a country which has the maximum rate of female infanticide in the world. According to the statistics compiled by them, everyday more than 3,000 foetuses are being aborted in India on being identified that they are female. If you multiply this figure with the number of days in a year (365 days) we understand that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in India. It is practised maximum in the state of Tamil Nadu and Rajasthan. There are big bill boards and advertisements saying "Invest Rs.500/- and save Rs.500,000, signifying that you do tests like Amino sentesis or ultra sonography which cost about Rs.500/- and on identifying the gender of the foetus if it is a girl you can always abort her and thus save Rs.5,00,000/- which is usually spent in the upbringing of a girl and giving dowry in her marriage.
According to a report of the Tamil Nadu Government Hospital, out of every 10 female children born, 4 are put to death.
Female infanticide has been present in our country for centuries. No wonder the female population of India is less than the male population.
According to the 1901 census of India, there were 972 females for every 1000 males. According to the 1981 census, there were 934 females for every 1000 males in India and the latest statistics of 1991 tell us that for every 1000 males there are 972 females in India. One can realise from these census reports that the ratio of female population is declining every year. Earlier only female infanticide was being resorted to, but now with the advancement of Science and Medicines to suit this act, there has been added another crime of aborting female fetuses. It is no wonder, therefore, that the urban areas of Bihar and Goa showed 1054 and 1091 females respectively for every 1000 males and according to 1991.tically fallen to 911.
ii. Islam not only prohibits female infanticide but also rebukes the thought of rejoicing on the news of birth of a male child and not rejoicing on the news of the birth of a female child.
Surah Al-Nahl (Chapter 16), Verses 58 and 59 (16:58-59)
"When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkness, and he is filled with inward grief!
With shame does he hide himself from his people, because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sufferance) the choice they decide on?”
iii. In Islam the girl child is entitled to support, and upbringing and good treatment.
According to an authentic hadith related in Ahmed, Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) said, "Anyone who brings up two daughters properly they will be very close to me on the day of Judgment.”
According to another hadith whoever brings up two daughters properly and treats them kindly and justly shall enter paradise.
iv. There should be no partiality in bringing up of sons and daughters.
Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) always spoke about justice and kindness towards a child whether it be a daughter or a son. Once a person in the presence of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) kissed his son and put him on his lap and did not do the same for his daughter who was with him. The Prophet (Pbuh) objected and told the man that he was being unjust and that he should have also kissed his daughter and placed her on the other lap. The Prophet (Pbuh) not only preached about equal justice to sons and daughters but also practised it himself.
2. Wife
i.a. Islam does not consider "Woman as an instrument of the devil” as considered by the Bible. But rather the Qur'an calls her "Mohsana” - a fortress against Satan, because a good woman by marrying a man helps him keep a straight path in life.
b. Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) declared that there is no Monasticism in Islam. He further ordained, "Oh you young men - whoever is able to marry should marry for this will help him to lower his gaze and guard his modesty” (Al-Bukhari). c. It is narrated by Anas that the messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said, "when a man marries he has completed one half of his religion!”
Once during a question and answer session somebody asked me does this imply that if I marry twice I will complete my full religion? The Prophet (Pbuh) considered marriage for a Muslim as half of his religion because it shields him from promiscuity, fornication, homosexuality, etc, which add to half the evil in society.
Secondly, only after you marry do you have an opportunity to become a husband or wife, a father or a mother and thus perform your duties as either as a husband or as a wife; as a father or as a mother. Whether you marry once or twice you are yet fulfilling only half your deen.
ii. a. According to Islam marriage is a blessing and bounty on both men and women.
In Surah Al-Rum Chapter 30, Verse 21 (30:21)
"And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts)”.
b. In Surah Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 21 (4:21)
The Qur'an refers to marriage as a "Misaq” that is a sacred covenant or agreement between husband and wife.
iii. a. In Surah Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 19 (4: 19)
"Oh! You who believe, you are forbidden to inherit women against their will!”
b. Islamic law requires the consent of both the parties before marriage. In matters related to marriage a woman cannot be forced by anyone including her father. Parents can help and advise the daughter on marriage but cannot impose or force his will. There have been cases where Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) had given the choice of continuing or invalidating certain marriages where the consent of the daughter was not taken (Ibn Hambal No.2469).
c. Ibn Abbas reported that a girl came to the messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) and she reported that her father had forced her to marry without her consent. The Messenger of God gave her the choice (between accepting the marriage or invalidating it _Ibn Hanbal No.2469).
In another version, the girl said : "Actually I accept this marriage but I wanted to let women know that parents have no right (to force a husband on them)” (Ibn-Maja, No.1873).
iv. Woman in Islam is considered to be a home-maker and not a housewife because she is not married to the house. v. In Islam, when a woman is married to a man it is not that she is married to a master so that she should be treated like a slave but she is married to her equal and should be treated like a partner with love and dignity.
The Prophet (Pbuh) said the most perfect believers are those that are best in character and behaviour and those that are best to their families (that is to their wives) (Ibn Hambal No.7396).
vi. a. The rights of husband and wife are equal in all respects except in the aspect of leadership in the family.
In Surah Al-Baqarah Surah 2, Verse 228 (2: 2228)
"And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable but men have a degree of advantage over them.”
Here a degree higher does not mean in superiority but refers to responsibility. The Qur'an has stated in Surah Al-Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 34 (4 :34).
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given one more (strength) than the other because they support them from their means.”
The Arabic word used is "Qawwam” which many a time is mistaken for superiority but is actually derived from "Iqama” meaning to "stand up for” in the same fashion as Iqama is given before prayers that is "standing up for prayers.”
Therefore men are not one degree higher in superiority or dictatorship but one degree higher in standing up for responsibility.
b. According to the commentary of Al Tabari the word 'Qawwam' means a degree higher in responsibility and service and not superiority. Therefore it is the duty of the man to see that he provides security and maintenance to women and this should be carried out with mutual consent.
vii. Even if there is lack of affection or liking between husband and wife this is not a justification to be unjust and not compassionate.
In Surah Al-Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 19 (4:19)
"Live with them (wives) on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing Allah brings about through a great deal of good.”
viii. There is a system of divorce in Islam which is to be applied only in extreme cases where the problem between the husband and wife is too grave to be solved and the continuation of married life would be counterproductive. The method of divorce is clearly spelt out in the Qur'an in Surah -Al-Talaq in Chapter 65 and in Surah Al-Baqrah Verses 227 to 242.
According to Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh), among the permissible things in Islam, the most hated in the sight of Allah is divorce. It is as though the heavens shatter (metaphorically).
There is a great deal of misconception and myth about the system of divorce in Islam, not only among the non-Muslims but also amongst the Muslims, who think that men have the exclusive right to give divorce.
Following are the ways of dissolution of marriage in Islam.
a. By the unilateral will of the husband.
b. By the unilateral will of the wife (if the marriage contract so specifies).
c. By the judgment of a Muslim judge (Kazi). After a reasonable complaint lodged by a wife against her husband on grounds such as ill treatment, lack of support, etc., or any other legitimate and satisfactory reason.
d. 'Khula' where even if the husband is not at fault and if the wife does not like staying with the husband. She need not specify the reason for seeking a 'Khula'. An incident of Khula had taken place during the time of Prophet (Pbuh) where he commanded the husband to give divorce.
e. Many westerners have the misconception that Polygamy is compulsory in Islam and that Islam ordains that all Muslim men should marry four wives.
The true fact is that monogamy is what is preferred in Islam. The Holy Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth which has the following phrase in its directives to men, "marry only one”.

III. Mother
1. In Islam, obedience, respect and love for parents is next to the worship of Allah. It is mentioned in several places in the Qur'an that one should to be kind to one's parents.
In Surah Al-Isra Chapter 17, Verse 23 and 24 (17 : 23-24)
"Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, And that ye be kind to parents. When one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour (17 :23).
And out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say : "My Lord! bestow on them Thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood” (17 :24).
In Surah Al-Anam Chapter 6, Verse 151 (6:151)
"Be good to your parents” In Surah Al-Ankabut Chapter 29, Verse 8 (29 :8) and in Surah Al-Luqman Chapter 31, Verse 14 (31 :14) and in
Al-Ahqaf Chapter 46, Verse 15 (46 :15) It is stated, "We have enjoined on human beings kindness to their parents.”
In the last two quotations the mention of the word "mother” is specially referred to after the word "parents”.
In Surah Al-Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 1 (4:1). It is stated, "Respect the Womb that bore you.”
2. According to several authentic hadith including the one narrated in Ahmed and Ibn-e-Majah, "Paradise lies at the feet of the mother”. It does not mean literally, for example that if a mother walks on the road and steps on filth and dirt, it becomes paradise. It means if you respect your mother, obey her, love her and take good care of her, you will Insha Allah enter paradise.
3. According to another hadith narrated in Bukhari and Muslim by Abu Huraira, the Prophet was once asked who amongst all the people was the most worthy of his respect and compassion . The Prophet (Pbuh) replied "your mother”; the man wanted to know who should be next, the Prophet (Pbuh) said "your mother”. The man enquired, who next?, the Prophet (Pbuh) replied for the third time "your mother”, again the man asked who next? The Prophet (Pbuh) replied "your father”. This means that 75% of love and respect goes to the mother and 25% to the father; that the better 3/4th goes to the mother and the remaining 1/4th to the father; or to put it in another way the gold medal goes to the mother and the father gets a consolation prize.
IV. Sister
1. In Surah Al-Tambah Chapter 9, Verse 71 (9:71)
"The believing men and believing women are protectors, one of other”. Here the Arabic word used is "Auliya” which does not mean friend but supporters or helpers or protectors; this means that all believing men and women are protectors of one another like brothers and sisters unless otherwise stated.
The Prophet (Pbuh) said women are "shakaat” of men. Shakaat has two meanings, sisters or halves. Therefore women are sisters of men or women are halves of men, that is society is made of two halves, one half women and the other half men.
"I recommend you to be kind to your women”
Men and Women are overall equal.
Educational Rights
The first guidance given to the mankind in the Qur'an was "Iqra” i.e. to read, recite or proclaim.
Surah Iqra and Surah Alaq Chapter 96, Verse 1-5.

"Read! Recite! Proclaim! in the name of thy Lord and cherisher who created - created the human, out of a congealed clot of blood (a leach-like substance). Read and thy Lord is Most Bountiful. He who taught (the use of) the Pen- taught man that which he knew not (96 : 1-5).
The first instruction in the Qur'an was, not to pray or fast or to give Zakkat, but to read. This instruction was to both male and female. Islam gives a great deal of importance to education.
According to Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) "It is obligatory for every Muslim, male or female, to acquire knowledge (Al-Bayhaqi).
The holy Prophet (Pbuh) made it a point of duty to every father and mother to make sure that the daughters were not ignorant of the teachings of Islam.
A woman has her right to religious education from her husband so that either her husband should teach her or allow her to go elsewhere to acquire it. If this matter is taken before a judge, he must compel the husband to fulfil her demands in the same way that he would in wordly matters.
According to Sahih Al-Bukhari, the women at the time of the Prophet (Pbuh) had become so keen to acquire more knowledge that they came to the Prophet (Pbuh) with the following proposal, "You are always surrounded by men for imparting knowledge so appoint a day for us.” The Prophet (Pbuh) promised to do so and went to them and taught them. He also sent representatives with messages to enlighten the Muslim women.
Women, who till only a few years before the advent of Islam, were looked down upon as mere chattels unfit for education, became among the most learned figures of their time and started offering guidance to others in educational matters.
Several Examples of Great Muslim Women Scholars can be given
1. Aisha Bent Abu Baks
a. The first and foremost example is that of Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, who lived long after her husband's death and provided great guidance to the first Muslim Community, even to the renowned sahabah and the Khalifah Rashidun. Her pupil, Urwah Ibn Azzubayr, testifies, "I did not see a greater scholar than Aishah in the learning of the Qur'an, obligatory duties, lawful and unlawful matters, poetry and literature, Arab history and genealogy.”
b. She had profound knowledge of medicine. Whenever foreign delegations came to the Prophet (Pbuh) and discussed various remedies for illnesses, she used to remember them. She was so wellversed in mathematics that important Sahabah used to consult her on the problems concerning "mirath” (inheritance) and the calculation of shares.
c. Aisha even guided Sahabah who sought her advice on different matters. They included the khalif "Umar” Abdullah Ibn Umar and Abu Hurairah. She was among the great huffaz (memorisers) of Ahadith. She narrated 2210 Ahadith in all.
d. Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari, himself a famous jurist and learned scholar, says "whenever we, companions of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh), encountered any difficulty in the matter of any Hadith we referred it to Aishah and found that she had definite knowledge about it.
e. 88 great scholars learnt from her and there were a large number of others. In short she was the scholar of scholars.
2. Saffiyah, wife of the Prophet (Pbuh)
Saifyyah, the wife of the Prophet (Pbuh), was also very learned in Fiqh. Imam an Nawawi says, "She was the most intellectual among learned women”.

3. Umm Salamah :Wife of the Prophet (Pbuh)
She too was a great scholar. The scholar, Ibn Hajar has given the names of at least 32 scholars who learnt Ahadith from her.

4. Faitmah Bint Qays:
Fatimah bint Qays was also a scholarly lady in the early days of Islam. Her learning was so deep that she discussed a juristic point with Umar and Aishah for a long time and they could not change or challenge her views. Imam an Nawwawi says, "She was one of those who emigrated in the early days and possessed great intellect and excellence.”

5. Umm Salim : Mother of Anas:
Umma Salim, the mother of the famous Sahabi Anas, was herself a highly respected Sahabiyah. Hafiz Ibn Hajar praises her, saying, "Her laudable qualities are too many to mention and she was very famous. Imam an-Nawawi calls her "an excellent scholar among the sahabiyah.”
The list of learned women of the early days of Islam shows that women were not kept illiterate and ignorant, but rather were fully encouraged to participate in the process of learning and scholarship. They also knew their rights and responsibilities very well. There were instances to show that some women even challenged great scholars of their times if they said something which was against the rights granted to women by the Qur'an the Sunnah.
6. Sayyida Nafisa : Grand daughter of Hussein
She was a great scholar. A large number of pupils came to her from different places to learn from her. Imam Shafii, founder of the Shafii school of Islamic law, was one of her illustrious pupils. One of the illustrious pupils of A'ishah was Umrah bint Abdur Rahman who was described by Ahmad Ibn Hambal in the following words.
"An eminent theologian and a great scholar. She was the most learned of all pupils in the Ahadith of Aishah.”
7. Umm Ad-Darda : Wife of Abu'd -Darda:
Umm-ad-Darda, the wife of the famous Sahabi Abu-ad-Darda, was so learned in the science of Hadith that Imam Al-Bukhari, one of the compilers of the Sihah as Sittah (the six canonical collections of Hadith) referred to her as an authority in his Sahih al sukhar.
8. Aisha Bint Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqar:
She was the daughter of a great Sahabi, Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqar. She was very learned in Islamic Sciences, to such an extent that Imam Malik, the famous jurist and scholar of Hadith, was her pupil.
Legal Rights
Men and Women are treated equally in Islamic law.

1. The Shariah protects the life and safety of both men and women.

a.i. If any man murders a woman, the "Hadd” punishment of Qisas will be applied to him and he will be put to death as a punishment for his crime. Likewise a woman murderer will also be put to death. This law of equality is mentioned in Surah Baqarah Chapter 2, Verses 178 and 179 (2:178 -179)

In the days of the Prophet (Pbuh) a Jew killed a girl by crushing her head. The messenger of Allah ordered him to be killed in the same way. The second Khalifa of Islam, Hazrat Umar (R), put to death a number of persons who were accomplices to the murder of a women.

ii. In the matter of Qisas there is no difference between a man and woman. In the matter of injuries to a woman's eyes, ears or any other kinds of wounds the Qisas operates in the same way as in the case of man.

If a man kills a woman, he is to be killed. Similarly if a woman forgives the murderer of her husband by accepting "Diyah” nobody is entitled to reject her decision. If the guardians of the murdered person differ in accepting diyah and forgiving the murderer, the other relatives are prevented from taking his life. It is immaterial if the person forgiving happens to be a man or a woman.

b. In Surah Maidah Chapter 5, Verse 38 (5: 38)

"As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hand as punishment by way of example from Allah for their crime."

In Islam the punishment for committing a robbery is the same for men and women: that is cutting off the hands.

c. In Surah Noor Chapter 24, Verse 2 (24:2)

"The woman and man guilty of fornication, flog each of them with 100 stripes."

Once again the punishment for fornication is the same for both the man and woman guilty of this heinous deed.

2.a. In Islamic law woman is accepted as a witness. This right was given to a woman 1,400 years back by Islam at a time when most of the societies rejected the evidence of a woman.

Even till as late as 1980s Jewish rabbi were debating whether to allow women as witnesses or not.

b. In Surah Noor Chapter 24 Verse 4 (24:4)

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women and produce not four witnesses to support the allegation, flog them with 80 stripes and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors."

Islam takes utmost care as regards chastity and modesty. For a minor crime two witnesses are sufficient. But if anyone accuses a woman as regards her chastity he should produce at least four witnesses to support the allegation. In most of the societies we find men abusing women in public and calling them obscene names such as prostitutes.

In Islamic law, if a person accuses a woman and cannot produce four witnesses or after he produces four witnesses if any of them falters, all of them excluding the person who has produced the false charge will receive 80 lashes each.

3. In the western society a woman adopts her husband's surname after her marriage. In Islam a woman after her marriage has an option of either adopting her husband's surname or continuing with her maiden surname and you can find several examples in Muslim Countries where women continue with their maiden name and surnames.

Political Rights

1. Both men and women are allowed and should participate in public affairs in the interest of society.

In Surah Al-Taubah Chapter 9 Verse 71 (9:71)

"The believing men and women are protectors of one another."

They are protectors and supporters to each other not only in social affairs but also in public affairs.

2. In Surah Al-Mumtahinah Chapter 60 Verse 12 (60 :12)

Oh! Prophet (Pbuh) when believing women come to take the oath of fealty to thee..

The Arabic word is "Baiaan” which is not equivalent to modern election but is much more than that.

The Prophet (Pbuh) was not only the messenger of Allah but also the head of state and the women confirmed the allegiance to him which is equivalent to choosing him as the head of state.

3. Women participated in law-making.

Once Hazrat Umar was discussing about regulation of Mehr in the Mosque. They were considering putting restrictions on the Mehr as some people discouraged young Muslim men from getting married. A lady from the back-seat of the Mosque objected, giving Qur'anic reference. She said none has the right to introduce this. " When Allah has not put restrictions on the Mehr then who are you to put restrictions to it." Hazrat Umar humbly replied that the woman was right and Umar wrong. In Political terminology, the women's objection will be called objection to the breaking of the law of the constitution as Qur'an is the constitution for the Muslims.

4. If the need arises, women may participate in the battle field: Muslim women took part in battle fields. There is a whole chapter in Sahih Bukhari regarding participation of women in battle field.

a. Many Muslim women helped in the battlefield by providing water and giving first aid to the soldiers.

b. During the battle of Uhud, a lady by the name Nasiba was among the people who protected the Prophet (Pbuh) and while doing so she received several wounds and injuries for which the Prophet (Pbuh) appreciated and praised her.

Conclusion

A. As I mentioned earlier equality does not mean identicality. In Islam Women are over all equal but not identical in each and every aspect.

I would like to conclude my talk by giving an example:

In an examination, two students "A" and "B" both obtain the first rank by scoring 80 out of 100. The question paper contained 10 questions each carrying 10 marks.

In question No. 1 Student "A" obtained 9/10 and student "B” obtained 7/10.

Student "A" gets higher marks and is better off than student "B” in question No.1.

In Question No.2 Student "A" scores 7/10 and student "B" scores 9/10.

Therefore in question 2 student "B" gets higher marks and is better off than student "A".

In question 3 both "A" and "B" obtained 8/10 i.e. in Q.3. both are equal.

When you add up the grand total of all the ten questions, both obtained 80/100. Therefore both the students "A" and "B" are overall equal. In some questions "A" has higher marks than "B" and in some questions "B" has higher marks than "A", while in other questions both are equal.

To take the analogy to practical terms, Allah has made man physically stronger than woman. Suppose a robber enters your house, will you talk about women's right and say men and women are identical and equal and hence tell your mother, wife, sister or daughter to go and fight the thief? It is but natural that your answer is "no"! Concerning physical strength, men are at an advantage as compared to women and it is their duty to tackle such problems first. If required, in some circumstances, the womenfolk too can help.

On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, in Islam, a child gives three times more love and respect to his mother as compared to what he gives his father. Here, when it comes to children giving love and respect to their parents, women have more advantage as compared to men.

In the same fashion men and women ln Islam are over all equal, but in some aspects men have a degree of advantage (and the related responsibility) and in some aspects women have a degree of advantage (and the related responsibility), while in other aspects both are equal.

B. This, in brief high lights Women's Rights in Islam as based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.

However, in respect to these, whether Muslim societies in different parts of the world now and in the past have behaved or misbehaved is a different story. Many Muslim societies did not give woman the complete rights because of wrong interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Western Society has done so much harm to women that some Muslim societies have become over-cautious, and deviated from the Qur'an and Sunnah by going to the other extreme; yet others have blindly imitated, aped and followed the western society without analysing the rights given to women in Islam.

If they had analysed and understood the Qur'an and the Sunnah they would have realised that women's rights are modern and not outdated.

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Kerensa*

Priznam, da nisem prebrala vsega, ampak kolikor pa sem, pa vidim, da se vero (pa katerokoli že) še vedno preveč posplošuje... primer izven konteksta, sicer, ampak - niso vsi muslimani teroristi samo zato, ker je Bin Laden terorist... tudi narodnost s tem nima neke hude zveze... saj tudi vsi Slovenci nismo morilci, ker je bil Plut morilec... in po tej logiki je zagotovo tako tudi z ženskami v muslimanskem svetu... niso vse trpinčene, niso vse prikrajšane in tudi ne nosijo vseh po rokah kakor boginje... in tudi pri nas je tako... ni mož od vsake pijanec, pa čeprav je z Dolenjske in nima vsaka visokega standarda, čeprav Sloveniji pripisujejo nek gospodarski razcvet in posledično dobre materialne razmere za Slovence... tako, kakor si marsikatera (ne pa vse) Slovenka misli, da ni hudega, če njen mož popije liter Cvička na dan, samo, da je ne tepe in ne vara, tako si tudi neka Arabka misli, da ni hudega, če ji odrežejo klitoris, samo, da ostane živa... vse je v miselnosti... pri veri pa še predvsem.

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ****

Ne gre se za to, kar je zapisano, gre se za to kar je v praksi. Teorija in praksa ( v kateri koli veri) pa nista eno in isto.
 
Sploh ni res. V islamu imamo besedo kefer, ki označuje človeka, ki je musliman vendar ne izpolnjuje svojih dolžnosti, se ne drži naših pravil. Keferjev je vedno več in še več jih bo, tako je zapisano. Pravih muslimanov, ki islam živijo je že sedaj zelo malo, pa še manj jih bo, nas bo.
 
Zato jaz ko govorim o Islamu govorim o ljudeh ki se pravil držimo in taki živimo v praksi teorijo. Vi pa mi mečete pred nos dejanja keferjev.
 
To je skoraj tako kot bi jaz naprimer če govorimo o katolikih govorila, da je eno izmed pravil, da si katolik biti pedofil. Precej bolano posploševanje se mi zdi to.
 
Zato prosim,če lahko razumeš jaz govorim o muslimanih ki islam živijo ne o kefer-jih.

Mogoce vec verjame v osebna realna dozivetja, kot v knjigo staro nekoliko stoletij. Ja ponvadi res pise vse lepo in prav.... pa ne samo v svetih ali "svetih" knjigah.

Knjiga ki jo je prebrala je nastala sedaj, je nova ne stara par stoletij.In v tej knjigi piše in so spisane grozote neke ženske,ki se je izvajala v imenu Allaha, opisana je cela vas...
Jaz pa verjamem, da če bi šla tja, ne bi našla nikogar v tej vasi, ki bi imel take navade,kot jih opisuje knjiga.Še več na koncu bi videla, da je prebrala domišljijsko grozljivko nekoga ,ki ima zakoreninjeno sovraštvo v sebi...

Še najbolje pa je da spoznaš vero in šele potem greš proučevat ljudi, kajti velika napaka, ki se dela je, da se skozi ljudi,ki živijo v nekem prostoru ocenjuje vero.

In ja takih kot sem jaz je veliko,ogromno. Samo sta dve stvari prva je da se jim ne da pregovarjat in celo naš poslanec nam je rekel, da naj se ne pregovarjamo ker nima smisla, da tisti, ki ima čisto srce bo že sam dojel kaj je prav in pa  da je pregovarjanje  izguba časa raje ga posvetimo čemu dobremu..
Druga stvar pa je da se slab glas sliši v deveto vas, dober pa samo do prvega ovinka.

 Jaz osebno imam narejeno sterilizacijo, ker bi bila še kakšna nosečnost za moje zdravje lahko smrtno nevarna, je bila po Islamu to moja dolžnost, da poskrbim zase in za svoje 3 že rojene otroke.

Pri kristjanih vem da je to prepovedano in da bi pač umrla, če bi tako naneslo.

 Ne gre se o tem kaj je lazje, temvec kaj je bolj zazeljeno. 
 
Bolj zaželjeno je da je otrok dober za Allah in pa zdrav od njegovega spola.

 

Otrok ti mož niti tako ali drugače v Islamu nikoli ne more odvzeti. Tudi če se ločiva so otroci moji on pa jih je dolžam finančno podpirati in to 100% nič pol/pol.

 
In ti bos imela vso pravico, da ih popokas in se preselis nazaj v Slovenijo. Koliko te pravice pa mislis, da bi lahko realno ostvarila?

Da, Islam mi daje to pravico.

 Obrezovanje deklic se dogaja npr. v islamskem svetu.
 
Obrezovanje deklic se dogaja v podsaharski Afriki. V Islamu je to prepovedano. Vendar ta običaj v Podsaharski Afriki izvira še izpred Islama in ga še do danes niso popolnoma izkoreninili. Obrezujejo pa tako muslimani kot nemuslimani. Skratka nima veze z Islamom. 

  In dejstvo, da ti ali nekdo drug, ne zivis v tem okolju kjer se to dogaja, to se ne pomeni, da v islamu tega ni.
 
Dejstvo je da v Islamu tega ni. In to napisano dejstvo izpred 1500 let.

 Tukaj nekje se skriva odgovor za "nerazumevanje". Ti se pocutis kot kraljica, ker ti ni treba delati, ni skrbeti za finance. Kot si nekje ze zapisala, si bila preutrujena, preobremenjena usluzbenka, brez casa za sebe, posledicno tudi slaba zena in ljubimka.. nekaj takega...
Tebi pase, da ne delas.
 
 Ja to sem jaz inne da se mi ni dalo delat. Še vedno lahko delam v družinski firmi. Samo nisem si bila všeč kot živčna razvalina z dobro kariero pri 28 letih. Več mi pomenijo otroci in dom. Raje kot uspešna poslovna ženska sem mama in žena. V Islamu imam pravico do tega, da si izberem kaj bom.

 Niso pa vse zenske po tem kopitu. So zenske, ki jim pase razvijati svoj intelektualni potencijal v smeri, ki so za tebe bile preutrujejoce, preobremnjujoce itn... Taksne zenske so tudi v islamu in posledicno, tisto, kar je za tebe "kraljevsko" je za drugo "suzenjsko". Dejstvo pa je, da Islam odreja nacin zivljenja, brez moznosti za zensko, da si sama odredi zivljenje.
 
Ne res ne vem kje jih pobiraš. Ali lahko prosim podpreš svoje besede z kakim citatom iz Korana ali Hadisa.  Ker Islam uči da je oče dolžan izšolati hči tako kot fanta. Da je ženska moškemu enaka in da je sama svoj gospodar. Ima pravico do dela, če si to želi in do izobrazbe.
Moje nečakinje vse besno študirajo, ker jim ni do biti doma, po tem se bodo zaposlile...

BTW: poleg Korana i Hadisa, je kaksna fetva veljavna?

 Zenska v veliki vecini islamskih drzav ne more dobiti potnega lista dokler ji moz ali oce ali brat ali v koncni fazi in dolocenih primerih sin tega izrecno ne dovoli, s svojim podpisom - samo utrinek... (informacija iz prve roke).
 
Spet ni res.

 Ze samo dejstvo, da si se odlocila priti v Slovenijo na porod in tisto, kar si v zvezi s tem zapisala je, da ce zenska v arabskem svetu ( ali tam kjer ti zivis) zeli normalno zdravstveno oskrbo (za nase pojme) jo ne more dobiti ali je pa rezervirana samo za tiste, ki si to lahko privoscijo. To pa meni osebno se zdalec ne govori o nikakrsnem "kraljevanju" "kraljic" zensk v islamu. 
 
A ti veš da če nečesa ne vidiš , niti ne veš da obstaja in si zadovoljen stistim kar poznaš? Moja svakinja še ni videla zdravnika ki mu ni potrebno plačat, še ni videla bolnice kot so naše... Jaz pa sem. Zato vem kaj je zame bolje.

V Islamu je to pravica ki ni povezana z globino denarnice. Midva z možem nisva bogata, živimo in imamo za sproti vendar sva se tako odločila. Tako njemu odgovarja in meni. Čeprav sem imela ideje prej, da bom delala, celo službo mi je že pomagal najti pa sedaj po 3 otrocih in družinski firmi teh idej saj nekaj časa verjetno ne bom več imela.
In očitno ti ni jasno samo to da ima ženska pravico, da izbira.

 Vendar če damo islam na stran za moment. Arabske ženske so nekaj drugega kot si ti. One nimajo tvoje pameti in ne razmišlajjo kot ti. so zrasle v drugem svetu, tvojega ne poznajo.
Njim se ti smiliš. in te bodo objokovale. One se smilijo tebi.

 Jaz imam čisto normalno pospravljeno tako kot je pospravljen povprečen slovenski dom. One pravijo da imam kot v lekarni. To da znam šivat je za njih znanstvenafantastika in da likam sem pa zelo neumna - za njih seveda.
Da resno skrbim za otroke, in jih ne prepustim kar ulici in dvorišču, želim imet stalni nadzor temu pravijo da sem preveč zaščitniška in jih bom razvadila.
To da se mi ne da cele dneve z njimi sedet in tračat , temu pravijo da sem čudak.

 Trenutno sva z možem kupovala za malega posteljico iz lesa, ker tiste plastične ki jih imajo one niso zračne. Ker hočem za svojega otroka vedno le bombažna oblačila in ortopedske čeveljčke sem ženska ki se gre luksuz- spet govorim z njihovega vidika.
To da grem sama po fasengo v trgovino in si tudi sama znosim v stanovanje je spet nekaj po čemur slovim kot malo prtegnjena..

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Kerensa*

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ****
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Kaj pa je to?... posebna enota policije ali...?

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Misek
Absolutno sem bila mnenja da so ženske manj vredne kot psi, da jih zažigajo, polivajo z kislino, obrezujejo in matretirajo na vse možne načine.